On Monday evening Frank Plasberg invited his guests for the subject "Quick deportation and the rule of law – how does that work?". The moderator announced a "practitioner round", in fact the show was unusually uninvited. A new look at the subject of immigration, which continues to rotate through public talk show formats, is rare here.
– Thomas Strobl, CDU Interior Minister Baden-Württemberg
– Thomas Oberhäuser, Attorney for asylum
– Harald Döring, former judge at the federal administrative court
– Dietlind JochimsEvangelical Lutheran minister
– Berthold Hauser Federal police officer, trade union activist
– Lisa Fiedler, Integration Officer of the sports equipment manufacturer VAUDE
Plasberg initiates the discussion with the words "It is this triad: insult, refugee, deportation". He anticipates what follows in many parts of the evening and is only too well known from political debates of the past years: the buzzword-like hitting of a subject that is too complex for an evening – and a perspective.
The police perspective in a vacuum
Policeman Berthold Hauser was allowed to start and answered the lax question "How was your day?" With a flight from his professional life. The trade unionist emphasizes: "If you deport families, it is difficult". He explains, not surprisingly, that communication during deportation is important.
He limited his opinion and his sympathy, but especially to colleagues who had to experience the violence of designated migrants. He speaks of a & # 39; passion & # 39; who should bring professional policemen. His manageable speech content is hardly remembered, the reportage comments on deportations are without real context in the room. This is also due to moderator Plasberg, Hauser's statements that are hardly provided with context.
With vocabulary as "deportation" and permanent subdivisions in "We" and "Die", which remain unanswered by Plasberg, the federal police officer plays – obviously not only spatially – to the right of him in the cards Harald Döring and Thomas Strobl.
Strobl remains too general
CDU man Thomas Strobl, as Minister of the Interior of Baden-Württemberg's only professional politician, always emphasizes the rule of law as a decisive institution in the field of deportation. However accurate this statement may be, he did not bring the discussion to a certain point.
He always tries to separate between "refugees" who want to integrate and people who "just do not do well" and act as "stubborn deniers of integration". In a determined style he suggests that the boundary between the two groups he presents must be made visible and must be cast in the legislation.
Only in the course of the evening does the Christian Democrat begin to respond to statements from other discussants and on request he honestly admits that the group "dangerous foreigner" whose observation in a "special staff" he proudly presents as a political achievement , "no large numbers" of people embrace. Surprisingly, the Minister refers to Plasberg's suggestion that the group should be described more accurately as a "dangerous country".
The judge as an assistant
The former judge of the federal administrative court Harald Döring seems above all an addition to Strobl: he criticizes the lack of consequences in deportation and sees the "church shelter" as a problem, because it provides asylum seekers after the conclusion of constitutional processes, the possibility to to stay in the country – so that the church was "on the wrong steamer".
The general, explanatory contributions from Döring often seem more like short lectures by a law student. There is no applause from the audience.
Pastor passionately defends church asylum
Dietlind Jochims has a hard time with Frank Plasberg: firstly, the Protestant pastor is excluded as far as possible from the first discussions about deportations.
When the moderator asks them about the functioning of the church law, he interrupts them shortly thereafter in the middle of the sentence. Their core message, however, arrives: she insists on the "core mission" of the church, "the weak, who need support, to advise, to help their right".
The "sanctuary as a shelter for people" is an important addition – the "rule of law" is "not infallible". A counterpart of Döring, which indeed the work of the church & # 39; valuable & # 39; mentions, but criticizes the lack of understanding for the lack of involvement in the procedural order, Jochims loosens up: such ties are the ideal type, but not always possible. Although in the course of the discussion the predecessor increasingly escapes the general public: her remarks are understandable and are repeatedly applauded.
Right at the beginning, lawyer Thomas Oberhäuser makes it clear that there are "good reasons to leave people in spite of the deportation decision". He was proud that he could prevent unlawful deportations from his customers.
Unlike the other guests, Obermeier seems to listen carefully. For example, when Thomas Strobl wants to sell out loud the demand for a consistent deportation of criminal and ID asylum seekers as a political statement, he does so with the affirmative words "What are we talking about?" That the question corresponds to the consensus of the discussion – and nothing to the debate. contributes.
Concrete impulses only towards the end
It remains a mystery why Lisa Fiedler could only see the round in the last third of the show. The integration officer of the sporting goods manufacturer Vaude brings with him what the mission had promised.
It reports on a company that functions as a "microcosm of society" and that offers opportunities to migrants – and benefits from them. It does not issue any figures or general findings, but emphasizes that the time to decide on asylum should be used for integration. Due to procedural ambiguities without "entrepreneurial planning".
Conclusion: "Praktikerrunde" is surprisingly conventional
All in all, Frank Plasberg has seldom been able to elicit new perspectives from his practical round & # 39; about the often enough theme & # 39; deportation & # 39; complex. The conservative story of the fundamentally functioning constitutional state, which has to be optimized, seems to be more unpacked than credible on this Monday night. CDU man Strobl was too often too often.
It was always exciting when guests like Dietlind Jochims, Thomas Oberhäuser and partly Thomas Strobl met, instead of getting lost in more and more general statements and images of the world. When Lisa Fiedler asked specific questions with her practical answers, Plasberg presented the daily subjects.