What did he think of it?
That this was yet another manifestation of little decency, the absence of modesty from these members of the government, institutions …

a problem of institutional decorum then?
A problem of human decency: these things are not done. In that picture I see a minister who agrees to make a selfie during a state funeral, I see a girl who feels the need to make a selfie with a minister during a state funeral, and I see dozens of smiling faces with waiting for mobile phones seize the moment … I see a series of human misery concentrated in that image that gives an uncomfortable idea of ​​this moment.

Are you surprised by the request of the girl and the smile at the funeral?
It disgusts me that there is a preacher who lends himself, that there is a girl asking for the selfie, that there is a laughing and cheering crowd. Taking a selfie at a funeral is not a good thing, applause and whistling people at the funeral is not something beautiful when an expression of misery occurs. I do not say to go to the beach like Aldo Moro in a suit and tie, but to show a minister the commercials at the fishmongers and the term 'delicious & # 39; to use to describe a fish meal in an unpleasant costume. unpleasant as a picture in general, even if it was an ordinary man, but this a minister, vice president of the Council, also proposes as something new, but as the change this for the love of God ….

Give us back the old politicians, do you think?
Let us keep the characters of Alberto Sordi as memory, not as a standard.

So Salvini is right when he says that the opposition is caused by rappers and singers …
I am against things I do not like. When Renzi did things I did not like, I did not hesitate to express myself. What then, on Twitter, Salvini blocked me.

Can he therefore have no interaction with him?
Not that I miss it.

But this success after the tweet on selfie or earlier?
No, a few months ago, when I asked the "government of change" when it plans to cancel the government debt.

And yes, he started to resist.
I am against this way of controlling public opinion and only focus on certain issues. No news. in a classic way, but in a more boring way: it allows a lot of uproar to suddenly become political commentators. I also comment politically as a citizen, the problem when the tone of the institution falls below the highest number of citizens. a problem, because on Twitter and Facebook I receive comments from people who say "that selfie photo fake".

Are you worried about this?
Yes, like those who scolded the photographerAnsa who has done his job. Unfortunately, the level of communication this: the confirmation is made, a demonstration is brought, but not enough. The post-truth of Trumpian is quickly converted. There is a general and general disdain for every position that even deviates minimally from that of himself and that immediately shows with abuse, vulgarity, benaltrism. The delegitimation of the interlocutor as happened during Stalinism, fascism and the Third Reich. I am not saying that they are fascists, I am only saying that they are using the tools at the root of the most sinister manipulations of opinions that history has ever recorded.

Salvini spoke about boyfriend talk rapper.
He did not make my name, I can assume that he is referring to me. A little bit I'm sorry, because if it does not refer to me, I might agree with him for the first time, because many idiots know rapper.

Of course, given the timing …
Of course, refer to me. But this shows the way of communication: the delegitimation of the interlocutor. Instead of saying "it was a fall of tone, I did not have to make a selfie, my apologies" for the idiot to those who criticize him.

She also participated in an event of the 5 Star movement. Have you changed your mind?
I went there because they invited me and I must say that I found them interesting, they intrigued me. But when I did not like the environment and I changed my mind.

Where did you vote at the last elections?
The secret vote.